13 January 2008 @ 08:49 pm
SGA 4x12 Spoils of War  


Starting with showing the Wraith was quite interesting. for a second, I thought Todd had adapted the "Leave no man behind" mantra.

Taking a zpm is very smart and I think it's cool that the are ambiguous with Todd. What I don't quite get is why they produced the soldiers even after the replicators were defeated. Wouldn't that mean they created more soldieres that had to be fed, or is it just that they produced them as food.

ETA: ok, so an army to attack the other Wraith?

And I'm still not happy with the way the pregnancy storyline was brought about. I watched the episode twice now. It bothered me for weeks now, that Teyla didn't tell them she was pregnant and I just didn't get why. So when John and Teyla are in the jumper and she says she tells him that she wanted to tell him sooner and John says he gets it. Well, I felt a bit cheated because I still have no answer!!! Now I think it's because she wanted or needed to be on the missions to get information about where her people are. It's a good thing she now realizes that going on the missions is dangerous for her and the baby and could be for the team as well.


  • The Locker room!!!! They have a locker room! Oh, there are shiny batleths and Ronon is dragging a clueless Rodney away

  • Rodney: What did you do?
    Ronon: Nothing.
    Rodney: You touched something, didn't you?
    Ronon: No...maybe just a little.

  • Kamikaze Hiveship!!!

  • I totally called on Teylas extra strength coming from the baby, the moment she said, it's a lot easier to use the wraith technology as last time. I seriously wonder if they use this further. That somethign seriously happened to the baby. I think that would be very interesting. Extremely sad, but interesting.
  • Now we know where the Wraith Army that defeated the ancients came from.

  • ilu John. You still are the bestest. And you still hug so awkwardly. I wonder what will happen the first time you actually initiate a hug. The universe might collide.



 
 
Current Location: in my room
Current Mood: frustrated
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Berlinghoff79[identity profile] berlinghoff79.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 07:58 pm (UTC)
The Locker room!!!! They have a locker room! Oh, there are shiny batleths and Ronon is dragging a clueless Rodney away
I loved Rodney's look in that scene. All wide-eyed, innocent and curious. Okay, maybe not innocent but still...CUTE!

# ilu John. You still are the bestest. And you still hug so awkwardly. I wonder what will happen the first time you actually initiate a hug. The universe might collide.
The first real hug will be a John/Rodney hug. And then they kiss. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
Rodney was like..huh huh? What's going on?

My first John hug would be a John and Rodney hug as well... only they'd be clinging while aliens drag John away and Rodney would be all.. we have to save him thus realizing that Katie is a not the right fit for him and it was John he wanted all along!
Berlinghoff79[identity profile] berlinghoff79.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 09:58 pm (UTC)
Rodney was like..huh huh? What's going on?
I'd say it was more like...ooh, gossip. That's gonna be interesting. Btw, Rodney knows. JM or MG said so.

And then they kiss.
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 19th, 2008 02:27 pm (UTC)
mmmm.... really? I just thought he was completely oblivious!!
One Evil Muffin[identity profile] legoline.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:02 pm (UTC)
Well, I felt a bit cheated because I still have no answer!!!

My guess is that she was afraid she'd no longer be part of the team anymore...
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah? But wouldn't they have adressed that? Didnd't it imply it was because she *knew* John would tell her to stay in atlantis and that the chances of finding out what happened to her people would diminish?
One Evil Muffin[identity profile] legoline.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
To me she sounded quite surprised when John told her she was still on the team even though she couldn't come to all the mission. Like that's what she was afraid of.
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
Shouldn't she know that being unable to come on a mission doesn't mean she isn't part of the team anymore?

and I still think it's more a thirst for knowing what happened to her people and the father of her child than anything else.

mmm
One Evil Muffin[identity profile] legoline.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
That, too...I thought that maybe it was a mixture of both, but I didn't feel they left it unanswered...
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
mabe it's just me.... it just feels so jumbled to me.... or maybe it's just because last weeks reviews all disagreed with my assessment and that unsettled me.
One Evil Muffin[identity profile] legoline.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 09:06 pm (UTC)
Huh? Why? What was the general opinion then?
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 09:11 pm (UTC)
That John was way to harsh and unreasonable with telling Teyla not to go on missions anymore whereas I totally agreed with him.
One Evil Muffin[identity profile] legoline.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
Huh? I adored him for that. Only shows that he cares about his team members AND is a good military man.
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 19th, 2008 02:27 pm (UTC)
Exacly!!
[identity profile] saeva.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 09:30 pm (UTC)
Except that she (starts to say/says it) herself, Athosian women stay active until late in their pregnancies. John chose to ignore Teyla's societal more in favor of his own -- to protect pregnant women and take them out of the field. It's possible she's even observed, in accordance with U.S. military standards, a soldier on Atlantis get pregnant and immediately be sent back to Earth since Atlantis is classified a war zone and thus unacceptable to have pregnant soldiers in.

Either way, to her, from what John cut her off in saying (as she says, "We haven't had this conversation yet"), the reaction is not only a complete overreaction but one that significantly reduces what she can do for her people and the people of the Pegasus galaxy. She has never made it a secret that she remains on Atlantis, separated from her people and, recently, her lover, in order to use the resources of Atlantis to better protect the galaxy and thus make the galaxy a safer place to live. If John takes that away from her, he might view her as part of the team still but she wouldn't be. Especially when you consider that Teyla was once a leader of her people, who went out, negotiated, dealt with things that a leader of a culture in a violent universe must. And she says that her people wouldn't have viewed the pregnancy as a reason for her to stop that so, yeah, John's reaction seems especially harsh, if predictable.

And if she'd let others know directly -- Rodney, who would tell John, or Ronon, who would be as uncomfortable as she was keeping the secret -- then she's just causing complications that we've seen her desire to avoid. Or telling John directy -- well, we've seen how well that panned out and it may even be something that isn't talked about directly (in the same sense that some cultures view it as bad luck to know the sex of the baby, to make up nurseries, or to pick out names before the child is born) in Athosian culture.

John didn't even have a hint that she was seeing anyone, something Ronon says he picked up, so it's not really surprising he'd miss subtle hints about her being pregnant. As for why they didn't show it, maybe because they didn't really need to since they mention it in a dramatically strong scene.
[identity profile] elsmoka.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
RONON'S HOTNESS KILLED ME DEAD! THE END
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:22 pm (UTC)
hehehehe..... fnl is good again toooo!!! omgomg
[identity profile] elsmoka.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:52 pm (UTC)
I KNOW. I JUST POSTED ABOUT IT. OH!!! COACH TAYLOR TEACHING BABY GRACIE ABOUT THE REMOTE CONTROL. AWWWW. BEST LESSON EVER! :)
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
omg yes... and gracie is so cute!!!!
[identity profile] memoryfloodsin.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:30 pm (UTC)
I took the reason she didn't tell them was because she maybe did once, in the heat of something and couldn't manage it, based on what she said in the previous ep and then afterwards she realised this baby could be the last of her people and she needed to know for certain, for herself rather than having the info relayed to her by John or Ronon or someone else. I'm actually loving the pregnancy storyline because I figured they'd really badly screw it up and at the moment I don't think they have.
[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
You mean because she said she tried? Because that is where my frustration started. I mean, if such a conversation took place, why didn't they show it?

And I DO like the storyline... I just wish some things were clearer. Because there are some discrepancies with what Teylas motivation is and such.
[identity profile] memoryfloodsin.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 08:48 pm (UTC)
I just take it as, well they can't show everything but I don't (in my head/fanon anyway) take it as a huge convo, like no one but Teyla would have known it was going to be a big convo, she may have just tapped his arm and said 'John' and then maybe touched her tummy, but everyone else will have been so involved with something that no-one realised. I think maybe I need to fic this.

[identity profile] elli.livejournal.com on January 13th, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
God yes please!!!!!! *g*